Monday, 08 June 2009

  • Yeah, There Was A Big Bang! God's the One Who Banged It!

    S                U           R            G              E

    To all Christian apologetics out there, this is some basic information that we should all know. If you have children going off to college in the fall, they will need to know this too. Feel free to e-mail this to them. Studies say that most college professors are atheists; and of course, most of their teachings will not be in favor of the truths we were taught in church based on the book of Genesis.

    I got this information from a well-known book called I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist written by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek. These two men have written an amazing book that is full of studies and information by scientists that prove the existence of our Heavenly Father as the Intelligent Designer of this universe. Everyone knows me to be a long-winded writer, but I will try to condense everything under the acronym of SURGE. S stands for the Second Law of Thermodynamics. U stands for the Universe is Expanding. R stands for Radiation from the Big Bang. G stands for Great Galaxy Seeds. E stands for Einstein's Theory of General Relativity. All five of those are things that atheist scientists agree upon, so we don’t have to worry about anyone saying they're religiously biased. There are some quotes in here where atheists themselves have pointed to an Intelligent Designer and Creator. And that intelligent Creator is my heavenly Daddy - God.

    S

    Thermodynamics is the study of matter and energy. The second law of thermodynamics, among other things, states that the universe is running out of energy. As time passes, the amount of usable energy in the universe is becoming smaller and smaller and smaller. So scientists are coming to the obvious conclusion that if an amount can get smaller and smaller, then it must eventually run out. If you measure how much gas is in your gas tank and see that it's getting lower and lower and lower every day you measure it, you'll rightly assume that at some point in time, your car will stop from lack of gas. The same goes for the universe; it will have less and less usable energy until it eventually dies - says scientists.

    This proves that the universe had an "in the beginning" because the FIRST law of thermodynamics says that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant, meaning that it can't create more energy when it wants. It has a set amount of energy just a car has a set amount of gas in the tank when it is its fullest. So if your car can only hold ten gallons of gas at one time (first law) and it uses up gas whenever it's running (second law), would your car still be running if it had had been running since eternity? If your car was around literally forever, wouldn't it have stopped running by now? The same goes for the universe. If the universe has only a finite (set) amount of energy (first law) and that amount is getting smaller and smaller and smaller (second law), could you possibly believe that the universe has been going on forever? The answer is NO. So because the universe is still "running", it has to have begun sometime ago.

    The second law of thermodynamics is also known as the Law of Entropy which means that nature has a funny way of bringing things to disorder - that in time, things will fall apart. An example would be an old car, an old house, and an old man's body. So if the universe is also getting less ordered/more disordered with time, where did the original order come from? Astronomer Robert Jastrow compared the universe to a wound up clock. If the wind-up clock is running down, SOMEBODY must have wound it up. Some people will try to argue that and say, "Well, every law has its exception." To that I say, "Okay, cool. So does the "law" that 'every law has its exception' have its exceptions too? If so, maybe the 2nd law is the exception to the "law" that every law has an exception!

    U

    When legendary astronomer Edwin Hubble looked through his telescope one day, he saw that the universe was expanding and that it is expanding from a single point. This is the second line of evidence that the universe had a beginning. Think about it like this. If we had a tape recorder that had been recording the universe's expansion and then we rewound the tape, all the matter in the universe would look like they were pulling or running backwards to a point. This point would not be the size of basketball, a golf ball, or even the size of a pinhead, but it would go back to the point of nothingness (no matter, no time, and no space). In other words, there was nothing and then BANG! Something existed. The universe exploded into being. This is also known as The Big Bang.

    But you must understand that the universe is not expanding into empty space, but that space itself is expanding because there was no space before the big bang. Also, the universe did not come from existing material, but from nothing because there was no matter before the big bang. Actually, there is no "before" the big bang because there's no such concepts like "before" without time, and time didn't exist until the big bang occurred. Time, space, and matter came into existence at the big bang.

    Atheists believe that the universe came into existence the way I will state in the following sentence. The universe came into existence UNCAUSED OUT OF NOTHING. Of course, there is no scientific evidence to support their belief in an uncaused universe that came from nothing, but they believe firmly in it because of their FAITH. Some atheists believe that at the TIME the universe was created (which was before time even existed), there was a swirling dust of mathematical points (which existed before matter existed) that recombined again and again and finally by trial and error, our space time universe came into being.

    When the atheist scientist who was presenting this theory was asked how in the world his universe came into being out of NOTHINGNESS with the SOMETHINGS of swirling mathematical points, the second law of thermodynamics came into play and he said that he was tired and so he went home to sleep. He had no answer as to how at this time (which existed before time) and swirling mathematical points (which existed before matter existed) could create our universe. Of course, what he said made no sense anyway (numbers and time create a well-tuned universe?), so it wouldn't have mattered what lie he came up with next.

    Atheists say that the universe came from nothing and was caused by nothing. That's you sleeping in your bed upstairs at three in the morning, and you hear a big bang downstairs. You jump up and rush downstairs with a gun to defend yourself and your property. When you get downstairs, you see your roommate reclined in the Lazy Boy watching TV. You ask, "Hey, Sam, did you hear that big bang?" Your roomie with his eyes glued to the television set says, "Duh, I heard it. It was a big bang, Nan. Of course I heard it." So you say, "Okay, so what caused the big bang?" Your roomie says, "Nothing caused the big bang. Can't you see I'm watching TV here?" You say, "Nothing caused it? What in the world? Okay, well at least tell me what it was that made the banging noise?" Your roomie, clearly annoyed, says, "Nan, nothing banged! Nothing caused the bang and nothing banged! It was just a big bang! Get over it and go back to bed." So you believe him and go back to bed. Now clearly, we know that if something bangs, SOMEONE HAD TO HAVE CAUSED THE BANG AND SOMETHING HAD TO HAVE BANGED! It could have been that someone had over stacked the dishes in the sink and a pot toppled over. It could have been a visiting baby who snuck in and got into the lower cabinets and banged two pots together. It could have been that your roomie had started celebrating 4th of July a little early with a firecracker. Or it could have been that a robber came in and shot his gun inside the house. But there's just no way and no how that a BIG BANG WAS NOT BANGED AND THAT IT WAS BANGED FROM ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    R

    The third line of evidence that the universe had an "in the beginning" was discovered by mistake in 1965. Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson detected some strange radiation on their antenna at Bell Labs in Holmdel, NJ. Wherever they turned their antenna, the weird radiation remained, and it was coming from all directions. Their discovery was one of the most incredible discoveries of the last century; it won them Nobel Prizes because they had discovered the afterglow from the Big Bang fireball explosion that occurred "in the beginning"! Get excited!

    It is technically known as the cosmic background radiation. In simpler terms, it is the light and heat that is still fading from the initial big bang explosion. The light can't be seen anymore because its wavelength has been stretched by the expanding universe to wavelengths that are shorter than those produced by a microwave oven, but scientists can still detect the heat now. As early as 1948, 3 scientists predicted that this radiation could be out there if the Big Bang really did occur, but for some reason, no one ever attempted to detect it before these two men stumbled upon it by accident about 2 decades later. When they found this radiation, it killed any lingering suggestions that the universe is in an eternal steady state.

    G

    "If you're religious, it's like looking at God," said astronomer George Smoot, when he found the slight variations (or ripples) in temperature of the background radiation that Penzias and Wilson had discovered. Scientists had predicted that these ripples in temperature were necessary in order to enable matter to congregate by gravitational attraction to make the various galaxies that are in the universe. University of Chicago astrophysicist Michael Truner was no less enthusiastic when he said, "The significance of this cannot be overstated. They have found the Holy Grail of Cosmology." Cambridge astronomer Stephen Hawking also agreed, saying that the findings were "the most important discovery of the century, if not of all time." That's a big claim! Looking at God is a pretty big claim, guys!

    It was not just that they found the required ripples; the amazing part was their precision. The ripples in temperature showed that the explosion and expansion of the universe was precisely tweaked to cause JUST ENOUGH matter to congregate to allow galaxy formation, but not enough to cause the universe to collapse back on itself. ANY slight variation one way or the other and none of us would be here to tell about it. The ripples are SO EXACT (down to one part in one hundred thousand) that Smoot called them the "machining marks from the creation of the universe" and the "fingerprints of the MAKER." Smoot called this matter "seeds" of the galaxies as they exist today. These "seeds" are the largest structures ever detected, with the biggest extending across one-third of the known universe. That's 10 billion light years or 60 billion trillion (60,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) miles. That is why some scientists were so enthusiastic. Something that was predicted by the big bang was found, and that something was so big and yet so precise that it made a big bang with scientists.

    E

    Einstein's theory of General Relativity is the fifth line of evidence that the universe had a beginning, and its discovery was the beginning of the end of the idea that the universe is eternal. This theory of Einstein has been verified to five decimal places, demands an absolute beginning for time, space, and matter. It shows that time, space, and matter are co-relative. That is, they are interdependent - you can't have one without the others. From General Relativity, scientists predicted and then found the expanding universe, the radiation afterglow, and the great galaxy seeds that were PRECISELY tweaked to allow the universe to form into its present state. Add these discoveries to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and we have five lines of powerful scientific evidence that the universe had a beginning. Einstein had been having some problems with his original equation because he had made the equation for a static universe. But when he was working the equation, he saw that he had to divide it by zero in order for it to make sense. Everyone stop where you are, go and get an apple, and divide it by zero and see what you get. If you don't have an apple, get your calculators out and divide any number by zero and see what you get. Only when he put in a factor for an EXPANDING universe did the equation work out. Now I still don't totally understand the equation, but I know that when he broke down and made the equation for an expanding universe and not for a constant universe (which was something that he and other atheists HATED) his equation made sense.

    I know that some of these concepts and terms may be difficult, but basically what the two authors of the book I'm reading are trying to say is that The Big Bang points to a precise and intelligent designer. Many scientists are troubled by the fact that the beginning of the universe necessitates a Creator. Others are perturbed because the laws of physics can't account for the creation event. Einstein admitted that an expanding universe "irritates me" because it made God look more reasonable and necessary. British astronomer Arthur Eddington called it "repugnant." MIT's Phillip Morrison said, "I would like to reject it." Jastrow said it was "distasteful to the scientific mind" and "this religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known law of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be TRAUMATIZED."

    Had the universe just been around forever, their viewpoints would make more sense; but the fact that something had to BANG the universe in order for it to begin means that someone BANGED IT. And that Banger, my friend, is my Heavenly Dad, GOD. For you to believe as atheist, you would have to say that the universe, the world, our sun, our continent, our state, our houses, our couch, and our bodies came into existence from nothing CAUSED by nothing. Now which does it take more faith to believe? That THINGS CAME FROM NOTHING AFTER BEING CAUSED BY NOTHING or that THINGS CAME FROM SOMETHING AFTER BEING CAUSED BY SOMEONE. The former is atheistic, and the latter is Christian. Figure it out.

    AND ANOTHER THING!

    Physics' laws also prove that a Supernatural Being like God MUST exist.

    Only things under the laws of physics need a beginning and hence need to be caused. Everything that begins needs a cause. If nothing that begins was caused then, it can't be. God isn't under physics' laws because He MADE the laws of physics. He's not natural; He's SUPERNATURAL. You see, science proves a Supernatural Being. We need a Supernatural Being like God because the cause all other causes had to supercede the "Law of Cause" (so to speak) in order for stuff to exist. If everything was under the laws of physics, nothing could be created because we'd forever be going back in time to see what caused the cause that caused this cause that caused this cause, etc. etc. etc. etc. It's like asking someone, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" Then the person says all chickens have to come from eggs. Then they say, "So where'd that egg come from?" And so you say, "A chicken of course." Then they say, "Okay, cool. So where'd that chicken come from," and so you say, "Duh, an egg." And then they'd say, "And where did THAT egg come from?" And then you'd say a chicken, silly!" And then they'd say, "Good answer, so where'd this chicken come from?" And you'd say "an egg." And then they'd say, "So where'd that particular egg come from?" And you'd say, "A chicken." And it would regress so far back into eternity that NOTHING COULD BE CAUSED because the cause continued needing to be found or explained or caused.

    So you see in order for something to exist, it had to be caused by SOMETHING OR SOMEONE that superceded the laws of physics in order for something else to be caused. Physics says, "Everything that has a beginning was caused." That means that something or someone had to be ABOVE the laws of physics in order for things to be made. This is what science calls a "First Cause". This First Cause couldn't have been caused or else nothing else could exist (on account of the constant regression to find the cause). God is not under the law of physics. He made the laws. He was not caused. He was not begun. He just is. The Bible shows that God refers to Himself sometimes as the Great I AM. He just AM! He's not a "going to be" or a "used to be" or a "has been" or a "will soon be" or a "started to be." He just AM! His "AMNESS" is the reason why other things can be caused. Any natural cause to all other causes would have to be caused, right? So the first cause can't be a caused cause or else everything else would have never been caused.

    I know it's hard for us to understand how a God could be without a cause. A First Cause concept is hard to accept. But I think the answer to that can be found in that God CREATED our brains to never figure that out in this lifetime. I believe that people in heaven may understand, but God fixed our brains to be flabbergasted and irritated and anxious when it comes to something that was not created. It's mind-boggling! I realized that it's best to just leave it alone because our brains will explode if we keep trying to figure out. There is an answer. I just believe that God didn't make our brains to be able to comprehend that answer, just as he doesn't make ants' bodies able to carry houses. It's not necessary for us to know apparently. We're doing just fine on this earth NOT knowing just as ants are doing just fine NOT carrying around houses. It's weird, I know, but we'll never be able to wrap our minds around God's ways in this lifetime. He's so awesome that we can't figure Him out!

    And lastly, I want to apologize for lumping all atheists into the same group. I have many faithful atheist readers, and I don't want them to think I'm trying to call them names and insult them. I respect people regardless of their religious beliefs. We're all people. No one's more important than anyone else. I AM SORRY for saying things like "The Atheists" or "They" in a condescending tone. We are all God's children, and we all were died for on the cross by Jesus. I'm not better than anyone, and no one's better than me. We have different viewpoints, but we're all humans who deserve respect. So again, I apologize for being rude. I get kind of serious about God, so I sometimes get a little fierce in my apologetics posts, but I repented of my rudeness, and I will try, with the help of the Holy Spirit, to bite my tongue and say things in a polite manner or not say anything at all because I honestly don't have to explain my points to anyone so there's definitely no use in me getting upset about something I don't have to do. This is why I sometimes disable comments because I don't like snapping on people especially when it's for a righteous cause.

Comments (45)

  • mr_faust

    still love that song from the YYYs


    i'm sort of half/half for this issue

  • SheLuvsGod

    @mr_faust - is that a song? i might need to check it out. thanks for reading. i know you don't agree with half the things i blog about but i do appreciate that you are usually the first commentator! thanks for reading and being honest about ur half and half stance.

  • GodlessLiberal

    S - this completely discounts string theory and multiverse theory, both of which can explain this problem.

    U - shows that you haven't studied big bang cosmology in the least, as current mathematics seem to imply that eleven-dimensional branes collided, created OUR universe.

    E - again shows that OUR universe is limited. There are currently (to my knowledge) four multiverse theories.

    So I'm curious... you accept the conclusions that physicists make when it comes to a finite universe, but not when it comes to a universe that is, not 6000, but 13.7 billion years old? On what premise do you make these distinctions?

  • noree_n

    this is wayyyy too much science for me to handle :(  Even though i want to go into the medical field...i'm not a science person :D  Although I'm a christian, I just have faith about my beliefs, so I don't really need the science stuff ...even though it's nice to have back up evidence :D

  • mr_faust

    @ISpeakLife - thanks, and the titled song by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs is called Bang. it's a funky song, and i suggest their song Turn Into from Show Your Bones, and the acoustic version for pure joy

  • SheLuvsGod

    @GodlessLiberal - The equations for string theory have not even all been stated yet, much less solved. It is EXTREMELY speculative and uncertain. This theory is plagued with problems. It is inconsistent with the very string theory it's based on. And everything else you said makes no sense. Try to be clearer. I'm totallly lost on your last statement/question.

  • SheLuvsGod

    @GodlessLiberal - Even the multiverse theories have to have a beginning. Everything thing under the laws of physics has to be caused, Godless Liberal. You know that.

  • SheLuvsGod

    @GodlessLiberal - The more I read, the more I can understand I think. I'm guessing that on the last point you tried to make, you believe for some reason that I said that I can believe in a 6,000 year universe as opposed to a 13.7 billion year universe (which I don't see how you got that from this post). But I never said that. But I believe that when Hubble was looking through his telescope, he could see that one star he was focusing on was at one point one day, and then perhaps weeks later it was at a further point and so it looked smaller. Like if you put a bunch of dots close together on a balloon and then blow it up full of air, you see how the points were closer together at a certain point and then began to expand outwards the more you expanded it with air. So Hubble saw that a particular star moved lets just say 2 cm from last week through the telescope view but in outerspace of course it was a lot larger distance apart from where it was from that first point and from other stars. I guess scientists just try to rewind the time to as far back as they can and they can guess how long the universe has existed.


    like if i u peeked out ur window and saw me about two feet from ur window in my car and then u looked two hours later and i was only four feet from your window you could tell how very very very slow i was going. then you could rewind that mph and say that at six hours earlier i had to have been 1cm from ur window. i'm not good with math, so that's my pathetic stab at it.

  • SheLuvsGod

    @noree_n - i personally don't like doing this because i get a LOT of heavy opposition. i'd rather write about God's love and Jesus' sacrifice and witchcraft, but every now and again, i have to do some apologetic (people who defend the gospel) posts. I feel like it's a waste of time though b/c some people don't want to hear the truth; they just want to believe in stuff that makes them feel good. but at least i can say i tried.

  • GodlessLiberal

    @ISpeakLife - I'm asking how you can take the work of these scientists, and pick and chose which parts you will accept. You believe in a literal reading of Genesis, right? Well, Hubble presented evidence of an ancient universe as well. Why pick one and not the other?

    Also, the expanding universe is seen by the Doppler Shift, not by measuring distances (like taking pictures of a car driving away).

    The multiverse theory needs a beginning, sure. Doesn't God? Or is a perpetually existing multiverse much more ridiculous than a perpetually existing deity that had the power and will to create said multiverse?

    [some people don't want to hear the truth; they just want to believe in stuff that makes them feel good]

    I couldn't have said it better myself.

  • SheLuvsGod

    You're sure right about the doppler shift part. I'm not picking and choosing. I didn't say Hubble MEANT to or WANTED to prove an expanding universe, i'm only saying that to the dismay of many scientists, HE DID.


    I also said only things under the laws of physics need a beginning. God isn't under physics. He's not natural. He's SUPERNATURAL. So you misread I see. Go back and you'll see that i said that only things under the laws of physics had to be caused. now that's quote-mining!


    You see, science proves a Supernatural Being. A Supernatural Being merely shows that the cause of all other causes had to supercede the "Law of Cause" (so to speak) in order for stuff to exist. If everything was under the laws of physics nothing could be created because we'd forever be going back in time to see what caused the preceding cause. It's like asking someone, "What came first? The chicken or the egg?" Then the person says all chickens come from eggs. Then they say, so where'd the egg come from, and you'd say the chicken. then u say, so where'd the chicken come from, and you'd say an egg, and then they'd say where did the egg come from and they you'd say a chicken and then they'd say so where'd the chicken come from, and you'd say an egg and then they'd say so where'd the egg come from? and you'd say a chicken. and it would regress so far back into eternity that NOTHING COULD BE CAUSED because the cause kept having to be found or explained or caused.


    So you see, SOMETHING OR SOMEONE has to supercede the laws of physics in order for something to be caused. Physics says, "everything that exists was caused". so that means something couldn't have been caused or else nothing could exist (on account of the constant regression to find the cause).  God is not under the law of physics. He made the laws. He was not caused. That's why other things can be caused. Any other natural cause to all other causes would have to be caused, right? so the first cause can't be caused or else it would have never been caused.

  • SheLuvsGod

    @GodlessLiberal - I know it's hard for us to understand how a God could be without a cause. A First Cause is hard to accept. But I think the answer to that can be found in that God CREATED our brains to never figure that out in this lifetime. I believe that people in heaven will understand, but God fixed our brains to be flabbergasted and irritated and anxious when it comes to something that was not created. It's mind-boggling! I realized that it's best to just leave it alone because our brains will explode if we keep trying to figure out. There is an answer. I just believe that God didn't make our brains to be able to comprehend that answer, just as he doesn't make ant's bodies able to carry houses. It's not necessary for us to know apparently. We're doing just fine on this earth NOT knowing just as ants are doing just fine NOT carrying around houses. It's weird, I know, but we'll never be able to wrap our minds around God's ways in this lifetime.

  • GodlessLiberal

    @ISpeakLife - I'm assuming you're familiar with Occam's Razor. What's more logical, a universe/multiverse that has always existed, or a cosmic being who has always existed AND can create the entire universe, which is quadrillions of miles across, just to make a world for the benefit of just one of at least 10 million species?

  • musterion99

    @ISpeakLife - I know it's hard for us to understand how a God could be without a cause.

    Only things that have a beginning require a cause. God has no beginning and doesn't require a cause. And about Occam's Razor, with God there is only one step, he created the universe. With the others, there needs to be millions upon millions of steps from chemicals to one celled organisms, and then to everything else that exists in the universe.

  • SheLuvsGod

    @GodlessLiberal - i'm not familiar with that, but i'll look it up to see what it's about.


    But back to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, it can't make sense that a universe has always existed or else it would have run out of energy a long time ago. the universe has not always existed because it's running out of energy. if you've been running your car on the same tank of gas since eternity (screw eternity, let's just say the past ten years), G.L. it's would have stopped running about 9 years and 11 months and 3 weeks ago. it wouldn't have lasted until today. The fact that the universe is running out of energy proves that it had a beginning. i'm beginning to think u didn't read the section under S. The 1st law of thermodynamics said that the universe began with only a finite amount of usable energy just like a car. if it's running out of energy NOW , it had to have begun THEN. if the universe was eternal and is running out of energy now, then the 1st law of thermodynamics and the second law of thermodynamics would be null and void. and u know that you can't just throw out laws b/c they don't support ur views. u have to throw out ur views to fit the laws. i never said the universe only consisted of life on earth. there could be other beings in other galaxies. the question is, "Who cares?"


    What does it matter? worry about ur soul. ur overconcerned with proving how everything came to be, G.L. but if God exists like i say He does and if the gospels of the bible is real like Jaded Janissary proved to you is possible, where will you be when u die? and u can't say, "I don't care where i go when i die even if the Judeo-Christian God does exist" but i bet u will care. you'll care just as you'd care if i told u someone was going to stab u w/ an HIV infected needle tomorrow that would have a .001 chance of giving u HIV. if what i'm saying is true, and let's just say that it's .001 true like the hypothetical needle i'm speaking of, would u be willing to take that chance with your soul?

  • SheLuvsGod

    @musterion99 - ur right! only beginnings need a cause. Since God is the Great I AM, He doesn't need a beginning. Like God says in the Bible, He is the Great I AM. He just is! He's not a used to be or a will be or started to be. He just AM! If i'm correct, i think you're talking about some things things that i put in my post called, "YOU Do the Math." It shows many of the impossibilities of a random occurrence creating this amazing life on earth. Here's the link:



    http://ispeaklife.xanga.com/693693748/you-do-the-math---/

  • GodlessLiberal

    @ISpeakLife - For what it's worth, I think that figuring out the mysteries of life is a noble pursuit. I also think that your argument isn't much more than Pascal's Wager, which I have written about extensively.

    Second, if the God of the universe is the same God of the old testament, I'd never pledge my allegiance to him.

  • musterion99

    @ISpeakLife -  If i'm correct, i think you're talking about some things things that i put in my post called, "YOU Do the Math."

    That was a reply to GodlessLiberal asking you about Occam's Razor.

  • SheLuvsGod

    @musterion99 - i know but i just wanted to let u know that i wrote a post on something u were mentioning.

  • SheLuvsGod

    @GodlessLiberal - why not pledge ur allegiance to Him? i need to go to bed b/c i have church in the morning, but i'm sure i'll be hearing more from you...

  • GodlessLiberal

    @ISpeakLife - Why should I? Again, refer to my post  on convert geneticist evolutionist

  • SheLuvsGod

    @GodlessLiberal - G.L. I think you're running from God, and I think it has NOTHING to do with evolution and science. I think you have something against God. I think you disagree with how He lets the world run. I think you disagree with how He let things run in the Old Testament. On the post I wrote before this one, I believe that you know human evolution is faulty and is bad science, but you hide behind it to hide from God. I believe that if I got rid of all your theories of God being unnecessary, you would desperately try to find something else to throw at me so that I can explain theory after theory to keep from telling the truth that you are running from.


    The truth, G.L. is that you don't want me to prove the Judeo-Christian God's existence to you; what you want is for me to present you to a God that fits in with your preconceived notions of what a God should be. You want me to present to you a God that will allow you to do the things you're doing that you feel are wrong. That's why I don't like getting into long discussions in posts like this because at the end of the day, if you'd be honest with me, you don't like who you know the Judeo-Christian God to be. You want to continue living your life as a godless liberal because it's the easy way out. And you're right, it's hard being a Godly conservative! But it's not about the easy way; it's about the true way. And the truth is that if I'm .001% right about what I'm telling you (and I assure you that I'm 100% right), you'll have some serious consequences to pay in the end.


    Answer me this, are you and I are just trying to prove the other wrong? Or are we both honestly trying to get to the truth of how this all began? If it's the former, we can end this conversation now because it's going nowhere SLOWLY; but if we're both honestly trying to get to the truth about how this all began (regardless of all the ugly details that the truth will entail), then we can continue discussing. But something tell me that you have no intentions whatsoever of telling me that this post and the last had some good points in them and that they lead you to believing that there is at least a .001% chance of the God of the Bible existing. AND that this .001% chance (which is actually 100%) is going to result in you having a hard time in the end. All the anxiety and pressure you feel to defend atheism is just a defense mechanism to make you feel better about your choices in life. The way I see you and other atheists defend atheism is kind of sad because I can see right through it. You don't write about atheism all day because you know it to be 100% truth (because you know there are holes all up in it); you write about atheism, science, evolution and such so that you don't feel so bad about your choices at the end of that day.


    Stop running from the truth because it'll always be 2 seconds behind you.

  • Esbartman
    I agree with the intelligent design concept.  I could pick over the finer points of your scientific presentation, but I think it’s a reasonable layman’s translation.  Unless, of course, you are a physicist or engineer.  In which case, we would need to have a talk about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.  In any event, I enjoyed reading (esp. the commentary).  Have a great day!

  • SheLuvsGod

    @Esbartman - i am FAR from a physicist! i am just a black woman from memphis with a bachelor of science in human ecology! i just love to read up on a variety of topics to diversify my knowledge and to improve my writings. and also like to defend the gospel (but not like this though). i have two great apologetics books, so they have good questions to ask atheists and good points to bring up to have them question saying that a supernatural being doesn't exist. i'll be the first to tell u that i'm no engineer or physicists but i am intrigued by outer space, atoms, and other aspects of nature. thanks for reading. i made sure it was in laymen terms so that everyone could understand.

  • Esbartman

    @ISpeakLife - I am an engineer, and I am FAR from being an atheist.  I'm also a little bit of a smart aleck.  I did actually understand your intent was to water it down a little.  I was making a sarcastic joke (those don't seem to play real well).  I think you're doing a wonderful job with your writings!  Why aren't we friends?  As always, thanks and I look forward to your next post.

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